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Old 06-30-2011, 09:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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There is only one reason GM didn't race the Volt up Pike's Peak. It can't do it on electricity all the way up. I think they should have done it anyway, but I understand why for marketing reasons they didn't want the press hounding them over the fact that they couldn't race 12.42 miles on a car that is supposed to do 40 miles electric.

Wired reported that "Nissan tells us the state of charge meter showed three bars (out of 12) remaining at the end of the run. That suggests Hord burned through three-quarters of the 24 kilowatt-hour pack’s capacity during the run."

That suggests the Leaf burned through 18 kwh going up. Assuming a 100% charge and not the 80% charge Nissan recommends for daily driving. Well beyond the range of the usable 8kwh of the Volts 16 kwh pack.

Still I think GM would have been smart to do it, because undoubtedly the Volt would have smoked the Leaf's time, and any gas used would have been less than 1 gallon, and demonstrated the Volt's range extension capability under arduous race conditions.


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Old 06-30-2011, 09:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Also with the Volts capability to precondition the battery it would have been interesting to see what kind of efficiency it could have pulled compared to the Leaf's unconditioned battery.



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You know, racing is just that. A structured event which pertains to very few common consumers.

The Volt is a very capable car and is not meant to be an EV-only up-hill mountain racing car

While the Leaf needs a recharge after the run, the Volt could have completed the run, came back down re-charging using the regen braking and then driven to Denver without needing a recharge. The way an EREV should do it. To me, the Volt and Leaf are not in the same car league. The Volt is more capable and a better fit for most EV-concious drivers.
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There is only one reason GM didn't race the Volt up Pike's Peak. It can't do it on electricity all the way up.
The Volt has been up Pike's Peak during pre-production testing. The Volt has a "Mountain Mode" which was designed to use the ICE + electric to make sure that there is sufficient charge on the battery.

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Old 06-30-2011, 04:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You know, racing is just that. A structured event which pertains to very few common consumers.

The Volt is a very capable car and is not meant to be an EV-only up-hill mountain racing car

While the Leaf needs a recharge after the run, the Volt could have completed the run, came back down re-charging using the regen braking and then driven to Denver without needing a recharge. The way an EREV should do it. To me, the Volt and Leaf are not in the same car league. The Volt is more capable and a better fit for most EV-concious drivers.
I agree the Volt is a very capable car, and does exactly what it purports to do. I own one, and I love it. There has been speculation on various sites about why GM did not run the Volt, since obviously there is a history with GM and Pike's Peak.

Further agreed that the Leaf and the Volt are definitely different cars for different purposes.

It just so happens that this particular "race" was just short enough that the Leaf could make it up on battery only and the Volt could not. Doesn't mean the Volt isn't a good car.

People were speculating and wondering why GM wouldn't take "advantage" of this marketing opportunity. Now that we know how much juice the Leaf used to do it, the answer is self evident.



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There is only one reason GM didn't race the Volt up Pike's Peak. It can't do it on electricity all the way up.
The Volt has been up Pike's Peak during pre-production testing. The Volt has a "Mountain Mode" which was designed to use the ICE + electric to make sure that there is sufficient charge on the battery.

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/10/07/ch ... -climbing/

Yes "driving" up Pike's Peak is one thing. Going full throttle and racing it is another. And the fact that they were known to have taken it up during pre-production testing only begged the question all the more "why didn't they race it?"



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Yes "driving" up Pike's Peak is one thing. Going full throttle and racing it is another. And the fact that they were known to have taken it up during pre-production testing only begged the question all the more "why didn't they race it?"
Obviously, only GM can answer that, but we can still speculate. My speculation is that the Volt would not be able to do it on electric alone, and that would not gain them anything at all. Maybe the leaf even climbs it faster than the Volt. GM would not have anything to gain there either. Nissan was in a "no loss" situation. I didnt see the Prius race Pike's Peak either.

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Yes "driving" up Pike's Peak is one thing. Going full throttle and racing it is another. And the fact that they were known to have taken it up during pre-production testing only begged the question all the more "why didn't they race it?"
Obviously, only GM can answer that, but we can still speculate. My speculation is that the Volt would not be able to do it on electric alone, and that would not gain them anything at all. Maybe the leaf even climbs it faster than the Volt. GM would not have anything to gain there either. Nissan was in a "no loss" situation. I didnt see the Prius race Pike's Peak either.

... just speculation

We don't have to speculate. The Leaf used ~18kw to do the climb. The Volt only has 10.4 kw available

There is also no doubt that the Volt would have beat the Leaf like a rented mule. But, it would have burned some gas and the headline would have been "Volt Can't Go 12.4 Miles Without Burning Miles!"



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...the headline would have been "Volt Can't Go 12.4 Miles Without Burning Miles!"
i agree.
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